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07-26-2007, 10:30 PM
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Hey, Scorp made a post I agree with! You go Scorp!
John Edwards seems fine to me as well. He doesn't give off a "Scum Bag Politiion" vibe like most do. I'm sure he really is one deep down inside, but at least it doesn't emanate from him. If Clinton is the democrat on the bill, watch for Edwards to be her VP(Though I think it'd be pimp as fuck to see her husband on there).
I don't like Obama cause he's black though, actually, if anything, that might go against him in the long run, as well as his last name as you said. I just think he seems more pure than most of them. He hasn't been in Washington very long, and doesn't seem as tainted by the politics yet. Something about him just gives a good vibe.
I've read all their sites to see what they stand for, etc etc, but some seem real wishy washy, and don't like to declare what they stand for. I did kind of like John McCain. I like him last election and the one before too though. His P.o.W. story is just incredible. Sadly though, with his campaign staff falling apart, I don't think America will vote for a man to run their country, when he can't even keep his own campaign staff together.
In the end, I'll wait and see, and vote based on the overall picture.
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07-27-2007, 01:14 AM
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Hey, Scorp made a post I agree with! You go Scorp!
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If we debated more on things besides politics we probably would agree more often
As for John McCain, yeah. I don't even know any other Republicans that are going to be running this year, or atleast popular ones. You never hear about them, its very odd; McCain was suppose to be the shoe in at the Republican primary until his shit got blown up like you said.
I suspect that 90% of the U.S. has heard of Hillary though. She will be getting a huge percentage of the vote based off of that alone. I really really like Obama. I consider myself quasi-racist because like everyone else I have generalizations about black people; the thing is I don't consider Obama black because he doesn't meet those generalizations. If he wins the primary I am voting for him and will get my family and friends to vote for him too. As you said, he commands respect, he has a strong vibe, and just in the way he talks, is very intelligent. He is on a mission and knows what he is doing, he gives the impression of the "ideal" American so to speak. What I like the most is he wasn't wishy washy with his words. Although right now he is just trying to win the party vote and not convince all of America, you can see exactly where he stands. And if he does win, it won't be because he is black, or because he is popular unlike Hillary, it will be because of what I just mentioned. I also wouldn't mind Edwards winning the primary, JUST NOT HILLARY.
As an education critic, I know just how few role models black kids have. All of their non-white role models are sports stars, so having a black president they may pay more attention to politics and try and immolate him instead of someone like Michael Vick, Barry Bonds, Latrell Sprewell, et cetera. When suddenly it becomes cool to go to school and get an education and still be as bad ass as Obama, these kids may get some motivation outside drugs and gangs. America needs somebody like Obama as president right now!
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07-27-2007, 01:57 AM
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As an education critic, I know just how few role models black kids have. All of their non-white role models are sports stars, so having a black president they may pay more attention to politics and try and immolate him instead of someone like Michael Vick, Barry Bonds, Latrell Sprewell, et cetera. When suddenly it becomes cool to go to school and get an education and still be as bad ass as Obama, these kids may get some motivation outside drugs and gangs. America needs somebody like Obama as president right now!
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In reply to your last paragraph, sort of like the old days? Back when black people had strong leaders like Martin Luther King.
The big difference is, those people fought and lead as black people, for black people. Obama could be the first black person to be in a position to lead for EVERYONE.
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07-27-2007, 02:37 AM
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Baby steps. One day maybe the word "black" won't be attached to everything. I know its all just racism, I mean, America has had its fair share of racism apart from blacks if you think about it with the Immigrants coming through Ellis Island.
In class today the teacher was talking about incorporating multicultural education and to include minorities into the curriculum. The whole time I am thinking "why, I never thought about whether the teacher should incorporate Germans when I was growing up". But the more I thought about it, the more it made sense; there IS a division between blacks, hispanics, and "white" people. Today it doesn't matter if you are Irish or w/e as long as you are white. So when you see all these white people doing great things and your ancestors didn't do shit, it creates a self-defeating prophecy so to speak. Atleast I as a German can look at guys like Hitler...
I mean, we are getting there; we aren't that bad today. Jesse Jackson and the people who are the head of these organizations will make it out to be that way because they are getting money, but honestly we have gotten to the point that labeling somebody as "black", whether it be for multicultural purposes, celebrating history, or whatever, is just going to keep things the same. 50 years from now, if things continue the way they are, how are we to progress? Nobody cares about race anymore so why bring it up? I know a lot of black kids that play video games, and act like normal white kids. I don't view those kids as black, I view them as normal people.
Obama becoming president won't just make things better for black kids, but white people who generalize black people. He is proof that given the right environment, "black people" can be no different than white people in both attitude and intelligence.
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