Obama and Huck win Iowa primary

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Ron Paul

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[CoreyvsWorld]

Originally Posted by KhaOZ

I don't think that's it at all. I think he represents hope for a country that's on the spin down the drain. I think people want major change to get us back on track, and Obama fits the bill.

you really think? to be honest I haven't been keeping up on this lately, But I think that people are too stubborn, I mean George Bush did win two elections.

[Sc0rPi0n]

Originally Posted by Kudos

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i think obama will win it because theres alot of people who are like Yeah first black president wooh! mainly college kids.

He is Muslim. His full name is Barrack Hussein Obama. He is black. Here is a reality check, there are vastly more people who would vote against him because of the afore mentioned than for him. Perhaps you should actually watch the speeches and debates before coming up with absurd theories.

[Sc0rPi0n]

Originally Posted by CoreyvsWorld

you really think? to be honest I haven't been keeping up on this lately, But I think that people are too stubborn, I mean George Bush did win two elections.

There are two types of Republicans. Those concerned with traditional family values, such as abortion, gay marriage, Christianity, et cetera. And then you have the Republicans concerned with economics. The vast majority of votes that Republicans receive are from cultural conservative Republicans concerned with family values. They vote these people into office expecting social change, what they are receiving are Republican economics. It is all in response to a backlash to cultural liberalism which is still being played out since the Vietnam war. Republicans gained these votes and haven't looked back, and they continue to keep these votes by clogging up the government with issues that will never be resolved.

And in case you are wondering what Republican economics are, refer to something called Reganomics. What Regan did was implement HUGE tax cuts for the extremely wealthy in what he called a trickle down effect, that is, the wealthy would pass the savings along to the poor. What happened was the gap between the rich and poor increased, sort of like what is happening today. Regan fucked up the country in a lot of other ways but I won't get into that.


Bush won because of cultural conservatives The laissez-faire economic policies of the Republican party are wreaking havoc on our communities and livelihoods for the benefit of the extremely wealthy. Meanwhile, the party fails to deliver on the moral issues (such as abortion and gay rights) which brings the support of cultural conservatives in the first place.

to quote Thomas Frank:
Strip today's Kansans of their job security, and they head out to become registered Republicans. Push them off their land, and next thing you know they're protesting in front of abortion clinics. Squander their life savings on manicures for the CEO, and there's a good chance they'll join the John Birch Society. But ask them about the remedies their ancestors proposed (unions, antitrust, public ownership), and you might as well be referring to the days when knighthood was in flower.

If you want to know why Obama is winning, it is because he is winning back the cultural conservatives. He is reminding them what it meant to be an American, and in my honest opinion creating a new group of moderate liberals from these many groups of people. He isn't just side-stepping the questions, but answering them head on. The idea isn't just change, or hope, but unity and prosperity. Things like middle class tax cuts, and fighting against the commercial entities of gas and lobbyists. Maybe he is full of shit, we will never know; but he tells you what you want to hear.

BTW, Obama is by no means perfect. He is a great speaker but he needs to find a side and stick to it, he screws up when he tries to stay on the middle ground.

[Sc0rPi0n]

Here is another reason why I will never vote for Hillary.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/01/...nal/index.html

[skoob]

we don't need tax cuts right now, we need tax increases.

and until a president flat out lies to everybody, or americans realize what they need is to give more money to the government then our debt is going to stay pretty constant....

that and/or start taxing the states which would raise state taxes, which won't happen but would be a better idea for whoever is in control at the time.

unfortunately these are for the most part career suicide..

p.s. i'm republican for every reason but lower taxes, abortion, and a couple other things. namely weed should be legalized and taxed the fuck out of..money in the bank.

[Sc0rPi0n]

[KhaOZ]

Obama's not Muslim, he's very Christian, heh. That's where he met Oprah. They go to the same Church in Chicago.

His Mother is from Kansas(white), and father from kenya(black). His Father was Muslim, though he hasn't seen his father since he was like 6 years old. He spent 2 years in a public school that people claimed was a muslim madrassa, but it wasn't. It was just a regular public school in an area that was like 80% muslims, so naturally there were a lot of muslims there.

I've done a lot of homework on the man. TONS. I don't just jump into shit, heh. I've liked him for about a year now, before he ever decided to run. Since my wife mentioned that Oprah had a friend she thought SHOULD run. At that point I looked him up.

[Sc0rPi0n]

He was Muslim, he converted. I still consider him Muslim because he probably knew he would never get the nomination(for any public office) trying to break the religious barrier and the color barrier at the same time. Only one non-Protestant president has ever held office.

[KhaOZ]

Obama was never Muslim. Not a day in his life. His mother was Catholic, and he went to a Catholic school. His father was Muslim, but had converted to atheist before Barack was ever born. His father disappeared back to Kenya and Obama never really knew him. Barack was born in Hawaii, and his mother met another Muslim man there, who she married. When Barack was registered in school as a small boy, his parents put down his religious preference was Muslim, because that's what his step father was, and Barack was to young to decide for himself. He later went to Catholic school, and has always been Christian. He was never Muslim.